Author Topic: Mini/Main switching not working >>Solved!<<  (Read 1897 times)

jchestek

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Mini/Main switching not working >>Solved!<<
« on: November 01, 2018, 03:39:23 PM »
I have a bit of a puzzle.

I'm working on an 8000G; the Mini LS switch doesn't function (it used to, but now, no).  The monitor signal always passes to the mains.

The switch itself seems to be operating, I can see it toggle from +11 to +18V when depressed.  From the system logic diagram it appears that it should connect to pin 43  ("Mini switch") of the "22" card, but I don't see the voltage change there, that pin is always at +11V.  If I apply +18V to that point, the monitor signal goes to the minis, as it should.

Seems simple enough, broken wire between those two points, right?

The problem is that the "Mini" switch is a momentary switch on this console.  And when I release the +18V from pin 43, the monitor signal goes back to the mains. 

Because the switch is momentary, there must be a flip-flop somewhere to latch back and forth between the Mains and Minis, right?

I can't find it on the schematics for the life of me.

The console has what looks like a standard "22" card;  in the "24" card slot is a "274" card.  There's a factory installed jumper wire between pin 43 on the 22 card and pin 43 on the 274 card ("Mini switch" input on both cards)

What piece of the puzzle am I missing?

This WAS a film mixing console, but it doesn't have the Monitor Input and Format (SL592) module.  I don't know what that implies, and I suspect that we're missing some pieces of documentation.

Jeff
« Last Edit: May 10, 2019, 06:33:46 AM by jchestek »

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Re: Mini/Main switching not working
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2018, 10:29:29 AM »
I did have a quick look at this but I am baffled - but I don't have a 8k manual (and don't know much about how they fudged the monitoring on it).

 :(

Andy
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jchestek

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Re: Mini/Main switching not working
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2019, 06:32:28 AM »
So I finally found the missing documentation!

So, FWIW:

In customizing this console, SSL replaced the normal, latching, "Mini LS" and "Alt" switches with momentary switches labeled "Mini 1" and "Mini 2".  Those switches are then connected to an 82E370 relay card in the Remote PVCA rack, which has flip-flops to toggle the monitor signal to the appropriate outputs (via relays on the '370 card), as well as illuminate the switch lamps, and send a logic hi to the 22 card to activate the Mini LS audio send and mute the Main LS send.

The problem was the power to the PVCA rack had gotten disconnected, thus no '370 card function, and no Mini LS!  I reconnected the power, and Mini 1 and Mini 2 now work as they should....

Whew...