Headphone Monitoring wiring

[MarconeMusic]

Hey All.

Hope all is well with everyone!

One quick one here:

Wiring up a DL connector for the Headphone System.

Wondering, DL33 (on my console) has the Echo, Monitor amps, Mini amps, studio amps etc..
It also has a point that says Cans Stereo L and R, Cans 1 L Cans 1 R Cans 2 L Cans 2 R.

Are these 6 points pulled from the Cue stereo, cue 1 cue 2 cue 3 cue 4 pots on the channels? (Through the centre section masters)

Basically i want to connect to a Furman HP unit that has 6 inputs, 1 stereo and 4 singles.
This would be awesome if i can get The Stereo Cue to the Stereo input on the furman and then the Cue 1-4 to the Mono 1-4.

The last studio we built with this console, i just patched to make the headphones work... I want to hardwire it now.

Cheers!

[MarconeMusic]

To Clarify, Im confused at the labelling of the Connector, Stereo Cue, Fine i get that
but Cue 1 L and R? Cue 2 L and R? Those two dont make sense to me...

[MarconeMusic]

Figured it out.

Cue 1 L is Cue 1
Cue 1 R is Cue 2
Cue 2 L is Cue 3
Cue 2 R is Cue 4

at the patch point. There are stereo options that go to these from Quad to Cues etc. but can be treated as Single Mono Points.

[amillar]

Hi,

Not quite - Cans 1 is Aux 1 / Cue 1, and Cans 2 is Aux 2 / Cue 2.

So from the Aux 1 feed Cans 1 L & R will be the same (and mono of course). But when you feed "Quad to Cans" or "SLS to Cans" that will be in stereo.

If you've got a copy of the diagram T0651E.41 "Master Module Block Schematic 651E" it shows this pretty clearly, unfortunately its an A1 diagram so not easy to scan!

Sorry for slow reply! 

Cheers,

Andy

[MarconeMusic]

Crap! So, I will still have to patch to get aux 1-4 on to cans in individual mono paths?

Basically what i want to do is have aux 1-4 hit my furman at input 1-4 and the stereo one go to the furman stereo in.

Then the band can mix themselves as they have 5 pots for stereo and 1-4. .  .

[radardoug2]

The auxes will all come out on one of the DLs, use those feeds.

[MarconeMusic]

Unfortunately  there is cans, echo sends and that is all.
No other point can I get the aux.
I need echo for the verbs. So, I’m up to patching if I want it it seems.

[amillar]

I can't find any details in the manual on the connections from the patchbay to the external connectors - is this really not there or am I going mad??

It's a bit naff if it isn't there! (I'm allowed to say that since I was responsible for the manual updates at one time, and I specifically remember being asked if there was anything that should be in the manual that wasn't there, so it's sort of my fault!) But that said these, connections were often very customer specific.

My VAGUE memory is that this is right, the idea was that apart from the cans feeds the user would always want to patch auxs, they would want to have the option to select the aux feed to different outboard items for different projects. 

Cheers,

Andy

[MarconeMusic]

I would like to speak to a manager!
Best console in the world? Doesn’t even have an iPod input ... now this!

Yeah.  I took a pic of the DL Pages in my manuals. No aux connections other than cans and echo.
Cans share pic from my phone. Not valid.

I’ll try and share from comp later.

[Chris Simon]

The connections on DL33 would appear to mirror the feeds to the 621 Producer's panel, with Stereo Cue, Aux 1(mono), Aux 2(mono), and Quad Bus LF/RF.. Patching in a more elaborate headphone system is inevitable. Around here, we have the Mytek Private Q system, with it's 8 mono and 2 stereo inputs, all 12 channels coming up to separate user option patch points. As such, the engineers here are free to derive headphone mixes from the cues, tape returns or even the small fader sends to the routing matrix, with the small fader in Input mode. Plenty of ways to skin this cat.

[MarconeMusic]

Thats exactly where im looking DL 33.

I cant find the Aux's to hardwire to the Headphones other than the Cue stereo Cue 1 LR Cue 2 LR. Or Echos

[radardoug2]

Image is empty. Below the auxes on the patchbay, are there not normalled jacks that go somewhere? I haven't looked at any of that stuff in a long time.

[MarconeMusic]

That’s what I’m assuming relates to cue stereo and cue 1-4 but someone above says no?
I’m super confused. Because the DL says it’s cans. Which I assumed was the same feed.

[radardoug2]

I suggest spending a bit of time with a continuity tester (multimeter) buzzing out those signal paths. There is normalling below the cues, it must go somewhere.

[amillar]

I would like to speak to a manager!
Best console in the world? Doesn’t even have an iPod input ... now this!

I remember Chris Jenkins trying (and struggling) to persuade anyone who would listen that there should be a 3.5mm headphone jack on the producers panel alongside the 6.35mm jacks Ahhh...different times...