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Artur D'Assumpção

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Hi guys,

We need your help in clarifying a doubt that came up in our meeting today:

To be able to automate CUTS on a non-ultimation system does one need to have any cables connected to the "CUTS" IDC connectors right next to each FADER connector on the SL691 Computer? Or are these signals are already on the FADER IDC cables?



If yes, where are this connectors located on the console? Can someone share a photo of the panel under the console?

If no, what does the CUTS connectors on the SL691 computer serve for?

Thanks for you help!

Cheers,

Artur
« Last Edit: April 06, 2014, 10:58:15 AM by Artur D'Assumpção »

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2014, 10:07:44 PM »
CORRECTION!!

NO, there is no "CUTS"-ribbon cable going between console and computer!! Sorry for the confusion!!
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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2014, 10:17:49 PM »
Not in my case, the cuts are all done via the 50 way connector, one for each bucket

Standard G 4100/A with TR

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2014, 10:22:12 PM »
Guess my 11u rack is E series

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2014, 10:29:27 PM »
The cut really is a voltage greater than 7.5v on a VCA system

Ov fader top

5v fader bottom

7.5 and above, is a cut, as you can cascade cut voltage via the VCA groups, making the cut light illuminate without a button press.
 

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2014, 10:53:05 PM »
Andy,

Thanks for the help. That exact issue appeared on today's conf call.

So you're saying that actually the CUTS IDC connectors aren't used and instead the >7.5v reference is used to detect if a CUT button was pressed? So you currently don't have any CUTS cable connectors and you can record CUTS automation?

This would actually make sense. On the Ultimation system the CUT is represented by a bit ON in the S14 cable, so it's natural that on these console's there weren't any CUTs cables connected. But that raises a question, if the CUTs are identified through the VCA voltages on non-utlimation systems, what the hell server the CUTS IDC connectors for?

By the way, can I ask you to take a picture of the connector panel under the console and post it here please?

Marc, please let me know also about your setup.

Thank you,

Cheers,

Artur

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2014, 10:54:17 PM »
I've a feeling this extra cut cabling is for 5k

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2014, 10:59:48 PM »
Sintech,

I read a reference for that on the Computer manual somewhere....

Well but that would ease up our task and minimize space since we don't need to fit an extra IDC connector per bay. No such good news for the 5000 users, that would need a different I/O card.

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2014, 11:11:34 PM »
Ok I think I've found the answer on the Computer Manual:

The computer supports the standard SSL VCA based mix automation system, the
moving fader system fitted to SL5000 M Series consoles, and the Ultimation™ dual
path automation system (fitted to SL4000/SL6000/SL8000 Series consoles).


SSL Console

This reference is used for Total Recall and for the Mix System's fader look-up table
assignment. There are some differences between SL 4000 and SL 6000 series
Input/Output modules. Selecting the correct console type will ensure that the
appropriate module display is selected when running Total Recall. SL4000, SL 6000 and
SL8000 series consoles use the same fader look-up tables. SL 5000 series consoles use
special fader look-up tables because the cuts are treated separately from the faders.
Select the correct console number accordingly.


The CUTS are for the SL 5000. :)

Also it seems although the SSL Computer seems to deal with the SL 5000 moving faders, these are very different from all the other systems. What would led me to believe they would need a different I/O card to be able to drive them.



Cheers,

Artur
« Last Edit: April 05, 2014, 11:14:03 PM by Artur D'Assumpção »

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2014, 10:36:10 AM »
Ok I think I've found the answer on the Computer Manual:

The computer supports the standard SSL VCA based mix automation system, the
moving fader system fitted to SL5000 M Series consoles, and the Ultimation™ dual
path automation system (fitted to SL4000/SL6000/SL8000 Series consoles).


SSL Console

This reference is used for Total Recall and for the Mix System's fader look-up table
assignment. There are some differences between SL 4000 and SL 6000 series
Input/Output modules. Selecting the correct console type will ensure that the
appropriate module display is selected when running Total Recall. SL4000, SL 6000 and
SL8000 series consoles use the same fader look-up tables. SL 5000 series consoles use
special fader look-up tables because the cuts are treated separately from the faders.
Select the correct console number accordingly.


The CUTS are for the SL 5000. :)

Also it seems although the SSL Computer seems to deal with the SL 5000 moving faders, these are very different from all the other systems. What would led me to believe they would need a different I/O card to be able to drive them.



Cheers,

Artur

Nice, we have our answer...
Cheers,
Pascal

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Re: Request for Help - CUTs Automation (Non-Ultimation Systems)
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2014, 10:58:02 AM »
Yaps, it seem so! :D

I will declare this issue CLOSED.