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DaveAliveHQ:
Hi guys,

Just getting to grips with our new 4K and got a question about drum grouping and outboard fx routing .....

We wanted to use our small faders for fx sends to the group busses, but if we do this, how do we also create a stereo group for the drums (or any other stereo groups for combined compression/EQ??) How do you guys set up your reverbs and fx?

It's looking like we'll need to use our auxs for fx on anything we want to subgroup, but then it seems we could pretty easily run out of sends as we tend to group a lot of stuff. Am I missing something? Is there another way to create stereo groups for drums, guitars, bvs etc, whilst still using small faders as fx sends?

Also, do you guys mind if your mono aux reverbs don't pan with the instrument? EG: If we use aux 4 for guitar reverbs, and we pan our guitars hard left and right, do you find it annoying to have the reverb not follow the guitar panning?

Advice much appreciated.

Dave

sintech:
Totally the master of the “shoe Horn’

Few methods you can do, for Drums and drum group, you can maximise the real estate… and get you some FX returns:

If you have a typical drum kit with say 12 mic's :

Bring the elements up on small faders say.. 1-12, switch the eq’s and dynamics to the monitor path, to shape and compress the source parts.

As the kit elements are on small faders, in Mix mode they automatically feed the matrix.

Send them all to Matrix 11-12

Channel 11-12, hit the subgroup buttons. This now acts as a master for the Drum group, and you could if you wish use insert 11-12 to put an outboard comp across this.

This leaves large faders 1-10 free!! to be used as automated FX returns, or drum Parallels. That are by default routed to L/R.

Downside you can only automate the master drum group.

But.. typically, I’m using the spare master faders for stuff like.. my ‘Tom Thunder’ with is actually a Behringer Bass FX fed from a pair of groups. I just route to toms to say 3-4 and then automate the effect on fills!!!

Sounds crazy.. but the results are really cool.

Also.. using a SSL X-Desk as an FX sub mixer. It’s has 16 paths with pan and volume, Typically, my 2nd H3000, Plate reverb, AMS Delay all come back on these, fed to a single Stereo Echo return.

If you can dream it.. you can make it happen on a 4k :-)))

sintech:
For say stereo Guitars, you want to use Large faders, and then small faders for the reverb send to pair of Groups.. say 9-10

Patch the group outs to the reverb, in true stereo using the small fader pan to make the image.

sintech:
Was lucky to watch some brilliant mixers at work in the 90"s.. and I've just taken all these techniques and used them everyday :-)

DaveAliveHQ:

--- Quote from: sintech on March 25, 2014, 04:30:53 PM ---Bring the elements up on small faders say.. 1-12, switch the eq’s and dynamics to the monitor path, to shape and compress the source parts.
As the kit elements are on small faders, in Mix mode they automatically feed the matrix.
Send them all to Matrix 11-12
Channel 11-12, hit the subgroup buttons. This now acts as a master for the Drum group, and you could if you wish use insert 11-12 to put an outboard comp across this.
This leaves large faders 1-10 free!! to be used as automated FX returns, or drum Parallels. That are by default routed to L/R.

--- End quote ---

Thanks for the quick advice!!!!

So in this scenario, how would you route the large faders out to fx?
For example, all kit channels to a stereo room reverb, then just the snare to a snare reverb, just the toms to tom reverb etc? Will I still be using a combination of aux sends and individually patched fx?

When I send to FX through the busses, I can see how I can send one channel to multiple busses, but I can't figure out how to do that off the large faders (other than using auxs) once I'm already using the matrix to create my stereo drum group?

It feels weird to not have four main stereo groups like you'd have on a live desk for this purpose.

I almost need two grouping matrix, one for creating stereo multi channel mixes, and another for sending to multiple fx devices :)

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