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Question: drum grouping and small faders as fx sends

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Showcase:
ou want to compressor all drums together, not just make a parallel drumbus?

sintech:

--- Quote from: DaveAliveHQ on March 25, 2014, 05:17:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: sintech on March 25, 2014, 04:30:53 PM ---Bring the elements up on small faders say.. 1-12, switch the eqs and dynamics to the monitor path, to shape and compress the source parts.
As the kit elements are on small faders, in Mix mode they automatically feed the matrix.
Send them all to Matrix 11-12
Channel 11-12, hit the subgroup buttons. This now acts as a master for the Drum group, and you could if you wish use insert 11-12 to put an outboard comp across this.
This leaves large faders 1-10 free!! to be used as automated FX returns, or drum Parallels. That are by default routed to L/R.

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Thanks for the quick advice!!!!

So in this scenario, how would you route the large faders out to fx?
For example, all kit channels to a stereo room reverb, then just the snare to a snare reverb, just the toms to tom reverb etc? Will I still be using a combination of aux sends and individually patched fx?

When I send to FX through the busses, I can see how I can send one channel to multiple busses, but I can't figure out how to do that off the large faders (other than using auxs) once I'm already using the matrix to create my stereo drum group?

It feels weird to not have four main stereo groups like you'd have on a live desk for this purpose.

I almost need two grouping matrix, one for creating stereo multi channel mixes, and another for sending to multiple fx devices :)

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In this scenario, Id be using the Large faders as Automated FX returns (or compressors) as this set up gives me twice the power.. with the same real estate.

You can steal the AUX's to the small fader, sending from either the small or Large Fader paths.

To send the Large fader to the groups, you either do this via the Small Fader (as a send) or Float the large Fader to the Matrix (this disables the Small Fader Path)

If you need 4 stereo paths, you bought the wrong console.. better to get a 6k.

 

DaveAliveHQ:

--- Quote from: Showcase on March 25, 2014, 05:30:00 PM ---ou want to compressor all drums together, not just make a parallel drumbus?

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That's correct. As far as I can see, as soon as I group my drums to a stereo buss to compress them all together, than I have to float them, which kills the small fader so I can't use it for sends.

I think I'll get a couple of mixes done before I worry any further as chances are I can work around it.

Cheers all :)

marcmozart:
There is a million ways to use our consoles.

As far as drums, I bring the individual drums up on the VCA Faders, and use the smalll fader to send to a parallel drum bus that squashes the signal. The amount I am sending to the parallel compression is different for every drum or room mic.
All the VCA Faders for the Drums are linked to my VCA Group 1, so that I can ride both the individual drums and all of them together.

PS: Can we move this to "Mixing and Mix Techniques on SSL boards"?
http://forum.sslmixed.com/index.php?board=12.0

Showcase:

--- Quote from: DaveAliveHQ on March 25, 2014, 09:11:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Showcase on March 25, 2014, 05:30:00 PM ---ou want to compressor all drums together, not just make a parallel drumbus?

--- End quote ---

That's correct. As far as I can see, as soon as I group my drums to a stereo buss to compress them all together, than I have to float them, which kills the small fader so I can't use it for sends.

I think I'll get a couple of mixes done before I worry any further as chances are I can work around it.

Cheers all :)

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There is no way you can kill the small fader while floating. I dont know if it matters but do you have small faders set to "output"

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