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Tech discussion => 4K,6K,8K Series => Topic started by: Dan Korneff on August 03, 2012, 05:58:56 PM
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Anybody see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7mAlQK49GE
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/548232-moving-faders-vca-ssl-consoles.html
I would love to get my hands on this, but I cant get in touch with Pelle. Does anyone know or have contact with him?
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Ehi Dan,
I have managed to get in touch with him, but he is very busy.
I have asked him to pop around here and use this forum as support,to make debugging and suggestions easier for everybody.
He said yes but he was on holiday when he said so and no news since then.
I m on standby to hear from him...
Mattia.
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Just curious what if we purchase a cheap 8 fader control surface, and physically link the faders to the SSL VCA faders from under the panel probably using a small thin piece of metal and either epoxy glued or welded.
Or in the case of J / K series which use the same P&G motor faders in the channel, we solder the motor output wires from the control surface to the SSL VCA fader motor.
This way in the program, let's say protools, we can choose the control surface as either channels (banks) or VCA group.
Has anyone done or thought about this?
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Anybody see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7mAlQK49GE
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/548232-moving-faders-vca-ssl-consoles.html
I would love to get my hands on this, but I cant get in touch with Pelle. Does anyone know or have contact with him?
Not only busy. But also broke.
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Not only busy. But also broke.
How can we change that? You have something that I NEED! ;)
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Nice to see you here PelleG :--)
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Not only busy. But also broke.
How can we change that? You have something that I NEED! ;)
Dan,
I replied to your PM on Gearslutz early summer.
But, ...it didn't say much anyway.
I don't want to whine. Problem is I have studio, a pretty large studio. And all my design hours cost double (triple, quadruple??) because I'm not at work. I've been trying to rent it out for longer terms to give me time for this project.
But, kids these days! either they don't appreciate large SSLs, studer 24 track, 64 output ProTools and a BIG live room... (I'm telling you, 95% of my sold studio time is ONE microphone in, stereo out.)
...or occasionally someone is actually turning on the power to the buckets (and, VERY rarely, the tape machine) but then they need 110% supervising just to get it moving.
Whine, whine ... I know.
Tell me what you need? Maybe I can do a custom job .. if It's close to the system I already built for myself.
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PelleG!
Where is your studio located? Maybe we can join together? :)
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Stockholm, Sweden.
We join in a crusade for better audio. Yay!
... Oh. We already lost. Damn.
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Im thinking of moving the studio to Sthlm, but its hard to find good spaces for my wallet, so joing another studio is an option, best option so far... basement on "Söder" 2.4 wall height :(
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Well.
I have tried three joints during the years, the first was ... cloudy and blurry.
Second almost ruined me.
Last one doubled my work and halfed my income.
But Hey,
I made another profile for my studio. I guess it's more in the line of this site forum.
So by name of "Grondahl Studio" I'll be one of you. Happy Camper!
"PelleG" will be the dark side, on the other side of the fence.
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Hi Pelle,
I'm counting on your system to be ready at one point. I think I'd like exactly the same that you installed, with Motorfaders in the center and 48 faders connected to the computer. It's perfect.
Cheers,
Marc
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Hi Pelle,
I'm counting on your system to be ready at one point. I think I'd like exactly the same that you installed, with Motorfaders in the center and 48 faders connected to the computer. It's perfect.
Cheers,
Marc
DITTO
Thanks Pelle
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I know, I know.
Well. As you may know. The design is 99% finished and my own prototype is working very well.
At the moment I'm teaming up with some people to prepare a few more rugged prototypes for shipping.
As you also can imagine, there's a LOT of things to consider. There's tons of different parts involved.
This is like an industry standard car manufacturing controlling machine. But, with the budget of a model airplane.
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Hi Pelle,
thanks for the reply - very excited!
Do you need another person to do testing on the prototypes? Let me know. I have a 48 Channel G-Series.
Cheers,
Marc
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I think Pelle needs cash to develop and put into production....
there will be plenty of "beta tester" after that.
Mattia.
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Will this system still allow automating from the channels?
512 steps of fader resolution ain't the greatest.
Stef.
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I get 10 bit out of my FaderPort. I haven't tried any other HUI controllers though.
My own motor faders are 10 bit as well.
You can write with SSL's faders also, no problem.
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Pelle,
Where are you with this project?
-joe
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Pelle,
Where are you with this project?
-joe
Designing chassis. I gave away for DAW support as well.
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http://movingfaders.com
Great to see this!
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http://movingfaders.com
Great to see this!
Yeah. Finally I have some time and money to finish this.
The software is re-written. Its now portable to Mac, Raspberry ... Whatever.
There's gonna be a hui link to DAW.
I'm also releasing the same system with audio. For retro fitting whatever console.
I made this just before AES:
http://youtu.be/tIREQGWSWIk
Maybe the Dramastic is coming out before me.
I hope not.
My system is very different though.
I'm not trying to mimic the old system, cause I think it's retarded.
It was good for the "war games" age. But today it's an obstacle.
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Hi PelleG,
This is looking freakin' awesome! ;) You're doing a great job! I really hope you'll be able to release this and get your investment back really soon!
I have a question for you. Is it in your TODO list the support for the TR system too? If so, will it use the same AD/DA electronics one will need to have more cards?
Cheers,
Artur
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Hi PelleG,
This is looking freakin' awesome! ;) You're doing a great job! I really hope you'll be able to release this and get your investment back really soon!
I have a question for you. Is it in your TODO list the support for the TR system too? If so, will it use the same AD/DA electronics one will need to have more cards?
Cheers,
Artur
Yes. Same hardware. It's gonna be a free software update.
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Amazing! Great to see there's some competition. Really - in most cases, since we all work with DAWs, to have the 8 VCA Group-Faders automated might be all we need.
Can you give us a rough idea of the pricing, Pelle?
Also, are the motor-faders the final design? Me personally, I would like to see them looking as close to the original SSL Faders as possible.
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I'm very interested also. Did you do the recall? That is key for me.
-Joe
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Hello,
Long time. Sorry for that.
My system is actually gonna see the light now.
I was hoping to go to NAMM with it but unfortunately I need to be home that week.
This is what I have done since v1.0:
+ Reworked the back plane core system for tighter sync / more channels.
It's now future proof. Ready for GML, FF & Uptown interface cards.
+ New smaller SSL VCA I/O cards
+ Completely re-written software. Features are the same, but now it's portable to run on whatever OS.
+ Total Recall card
+ HUI dynamic link to whatever DAW
+ Motor Fader pack is now reworked and more flexible
+ 2 chassis are available. 4 slots (32 ch) 1U or 12 slots (96 ch) 3U. PSU included.
Next week it's moving to the studio for a final test. I'm posting pics and vids as soon as I switch to the right graphic UI.
(...I'm gonna miss the debug '81 arcade screens).
I haven't decided how to market this yet. I'm building 10 units now and try to ship them without interference.
If everything is cool after that I'll use proper dealers.
I'll update the website as soon as I have time.
I'm glad to say that I've sold my studio and I am focusing 100% on designing now.
I spent the last couple of weeks pimping my workshop.
The SSL system is my main focus for now but there's coming up a bunch of cool designs.
I just started a collaboration I could only dream about.
2014 ... here I come !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyN5Y2WMalM
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Looks great - really looking forward to the final system! Let me know if you need beta testers.
I am doing both major label and indie mixes with my console on a daily base.
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Great work Pelle, looks fantastic.
I would like to test your super system.
Let me know the way which you think to offer it.
I'd like to be one of the first lucky owners.
I've got a 4064 E/G .
Regards
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I'm gonna say this... Pelle is in the lead, his thinking on a great modern mix automation is spot on. Let's see what Dramastic is doing, if anything at all.
Pelle, can you give us a rough idea about pricing for the different parts of the system?
And, let me be annoying again - for me personally, the faders need to match the original SSL Design. Including the original P&G Fader Knobs. Anything that looks too different from that will make these classic consoles look DIY. It seems to be a small thing, but will be a biggie for the purchase decision.
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Yeah yeah.
Reminds me of an article I read about the "creator" of Bob the builder & Fifi and the flowertots. There are actually no creative action behind it. Everything is based on market surveys. A bunch of screener kids deciding every turn of the synopsis. Every color, everything.
The creator where asked questions about messages and signals. He just answered numbers. Sales and curves.
Very sexy.
Well. I know I gave in to the HUI support in the end. Because, myself, I hate the inaccuracies and limitation it brings.
It was a fun challenge after all. And I'm happy about my implementation.
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...but, I use stock P&G faders and knobs all the way. The knobs need to be conductive so the white ones doesn't work.
Pricing is left to figure out. I need to talk to the dealers first. I don't want to be too far off range with the first run.
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Pelle,
Are you going to still have the option that uses your current VCA faders on the desk as described in one of the options? Keep feeding us information and let us salivate about what will be possible with our desks :)
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Great work Pelle!!!! Very excited to see that you've finally decided to go through with it and finalize it!
These are great news for everyone.
By the way, will you be able to support the ultimation faders?
Thrilled to hear about what's coming! :D
Cheers,
Artur
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Thanks. I haven't looked into ultimation. No idea how it interfaces.
If someone has a schematic or block I can try to get a hint of the effort needed.
I will announce the system on the website in a couple of weeks.
I will also demo it in the LA area in late February March. Try to do something in London as well.
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Thanks. I haven't looked into ultimation. No idea how it interfaces.
If someone has a schematic or block I can try to get a hint of the effort needed.
I will announce the system on the website in a couple of weeks.
I will also demo it in the LA area in late February March. Try to do something in London as well.
get in touch when you are ready. you know where to find me ;)
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Pelle,
I will get everything you need for ultimation when I have my new console commissioned.
Good luck with it!! You deserve it! Keep us updated! :D
Cheers,
Artur
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IO Cards are being assembled as I type.
Main chassis test unit arrived and approved last week.
Software is rocking ... but I always have new updates in my head.
Anyway. I'm working on the website / webshop. As soon as it's up I'll be ready to take orders.
Best,
Pelle
(http://movingfaders.com/media/unit1.jpg)
(http://movingfaders.com/media/unit2.jpg)
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Hi Pelle!
Looking awesome! ;) I'm happy you got the time to take it all the way! I'm eager to see the finished product! :D
Do you already have a price model for it?
Cheers,
Artur
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Pelle,
Where are you with the recall of part of the system?
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Pelle,
Where are you with the recall of part of the system?
The recall software bit is still left to do. Frankly, I've never used the original. I've taken snapshots but never recalled them (always nailed it on version 1 mixes :-).
So, I need to collect some experience.
It's fairly easy to connect to the system for a third party developer.
Compared to the real time sync stuff involved with the automation it's a walk in the park.
I doubt the feature will take long to develop.
Hardware support is already built in.
We'll see what the demand is.
Actually. The hardware is also kind of open. It's like a 96 channel cv in / out box. Pretty cool if you have a moog modular.
I'm working on a new motor fader design. It connects directly to the same ribbon the original VCA connects to . It's very cool.
The system can now be installed on any console. Not only SSL.
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Pelle,
Where are you with the recall of part of the system?
The recall software bit is still left to do. Frankly, I've never used the original. I've taken snapshots but never recalled them (always nailed it on version 1 mixes :-).
So, I need to collect some experience.
It's fairly easy to connect to the system for a third party developer.
Compared to the real time sync stuff involved with the automation it's a walk in the park.
I doubt the feature will take long to develop.
Hardware support is already built in.
We'll see what the demand is.
Actually. The hardware is also kind of open. It's like a 96 channel cv in / out box. Pretty cool if you have a moog modular.
I'm working on a new motor fader design. It connects directly to the same ribbon the original VCA connects to . It's very cool.
The system can now be installed on any console. Not only SSL.
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Pelle, personally you're never going to sell the unit without TR active.. it has to do at least what the SSL studio computer can do as a minimum, unless it's very cheap.
In terms of a working 4/6/8K facility, TR is an essential asset.
Your competitor is Dramastic, who quoted on the phone $12K for a 40 channel system.
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Pelle, personally you're never going to sell the unit without TR active.. it has to do at least what the SSL studio computer can do as a minimum, unless it's very cheap.
In terms of a working 4/6/8K facility, TR is an essential asset.
Your competitor is Dramastic, who quoted on the phone $12K for a 40 channel system.
Darn. Then there'll be some boxes covered by dust in my workshop, I guess. :-)
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$12K is very, very expensive. That is way above what I heard they were going to be released at.
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$12K is very, very expensive. That is way above what I heard they were going to be released at.
Member d.f. spoke directly to the Dramastic guy, and got the quote in January.
The progress was, that the TR was done and the hardware going to Beta, although the Channel graphic has the Channel Fader present, but this item can't be recalled at the same time as the objects, that's the architecture of the system.
The Automation is still being programmed.
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Based on this news.. I bought a computer 3 days later!
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I certianly who have. I'm thinking somewhere near the 5K would feasible for these.
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Not a prototype!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z41Y4V-v3U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z41Y4V-v3U)
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OK, its not a prototype, but WHAT is it??
Alan
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Hi Pelle,
are you in production with the automation system?
:P :P
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Hi Pelle,
are you in production with the automation system?
:P :P
Yezz
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;D Great job Pelle.
First post. Great site.
1999 4040G+
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I love you too.