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Title: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Dan Korneff on November 10, 2015, 05:05:56 PM
Hey guys,
Been thinking about designing a new PSU for my console. Similar to the Atomic PSU. Anyone else interested?
http://www.atomicinstrument.com/
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on November 11, 2015, 02:16:31 AM
You know there is another SSL psu out there too by a company called GRS / SST.

I first saw this one when it was being installed back in 2001 at the studio I used to work at in California. We were unpacking it in the photo that I will post and we powered it up. We installed it on our SSL 4032. Worked great.  Its got a bunch of computer processors in it.  And it soft starts and sequences the power on to the buckets. It was about half the cost of that Atomic one at your link.

Just an FYI

I just got a used SSl 4032 last month for my studio but it has a messed up psu. So I am thinking of getting one of these GRS/SSt psu's to replace it.

Cheers,

Greg

Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Artur D'Assumpção on November 11, 2015, 10:42:47 AM
Interesting never heard of them! Are they still selling? Any more details?

What one should be careful with switch power supplies is the massive filtering necessary so it doesn't go into the audio range. A these filters need to be high quality so it doesn't produce any aliasing effects and affect audio.

If I recall correctly SSL built the power supplies for the 9000s series has a switchmode one. A big ass rack was only the filter section. ;)

Cheers,

Artur
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: sintech on November 11, 2015, 04:30:04 PM
The Atomic is great.. but the cost of shipping and import duties on top of the heavy price tag is a really put off.

Would be good to see a solution in the EU, lot of consoles in this side of the world :-))
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on November 11, 2015, 07:46:01 PM
Hi guys.

I drove over to GRS early today. They are about 70 miles from my studio. I called them yesterday about making me a psu for my 4032 and they said to come over and that they were building a couple of ssl psus and we could talk.

I got to see the production shop and they were indeed building 2 SSL psu and about two dozen or so other power supplies for other console. Nice operation. And the SSL psus are really. Pretty much the same style as the one we got at the old studio I worked at in 2001. They guys that run the place are ex-aerospace power systems engineers who started building audio and power supplies for a few studios back in the mid '60's. These guys know their stuff, so it was a real education for me listening to them.

One of the big deals was about how clean the DC output is and about the filters they build to do this. The SSL psus are filled with special filters that was explained to me to eliminate the possibility of harmonics getting into the audio bandwidth. They showed me on a scope the difference with and without the filters! HUGE difference. So that answers your one question about the filters.

The still are using a bunch of microprocessors to run everything in the psu. Lots of psu protection devices and console protection circuits. And the AC power turns on with a slow power ramp up to eliminate the power surge. And then they have a processor that sequences on all of the DC output voltages that go on also with a voltage ramp up. While the psu is doing all of this, there are LEDs on the front panel that show the sequencing/ramp-up of the AC. Then once that is completed, you hold over a DC start switch and then the psu sequences the DC start-up to the console while the voltage also ramps up. It's pretty cool.

The system is just like the one we got back in 2001 and it works the same way. Never had a problem with that one. One system can power 56 channels and has multiple DC connectors on the back of the psu. Don't need a changeover box. You get a 5 year parts and labor warranty.

I like the meters on the front with the voltage trimmers on the front. I can appreciate these cause of having to try to do the psu and console calibration using the SSL psu. Man, is that crazy running back and forth to the console and machine room, lol. One way to get your exercise for sure. So this is a better setup for that.

So I bought one. Maxed out two credit cards to do it, but really need a good working power supply and I don't have the time to mess with the old psu and the cost to fix it is stupid to me at this point. So I took the plunge. After CA sales taxes it cost me about $3,400. One of the units they are building is a larger psu going to Warner Bros. for one of their film consoles. That one is a monster.

So all in all a great morning, now I just have to deal with the credit card bills when they come in. Oh well...such is life as a studio owner.

That's about it! I should have the new psu in about 15 days and I'll report back.

Cheers!

Greg
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: jmstevens on November 12, 2015, 04:02:26 AM
That sounds great. Indoor lawnmower volume fans? Looking forward to hearing about the finished beast.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on November 12, 2015, 05:52:37 AM
Will do Jim.

No fans, by the way!

Cheers,

Greg
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: StarF666 on November 12, 2015, 08:47:21 AM
Very cool, looking forward to hear about your experience. Price is definitely an argument against the Atomic. Especially when thinking about taxes when importing to Europe.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Artur D'Assumpção on November 12, 2015, 10:28:23 AM
Wow this is really promising!

I think we should send them an e-mail for them to invite them to join and present their product in the forum. Greg, do you feel comfortable/willing in making this contact? I am sure there will be lots of questions to them.

Thanks so much for reporting back! Please let us know how it goes when connecting it! And also it would be interesting to know if you experience any real power savings with GRS solution. ;)

Cheers,

Artur
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: StarF666 on November 12, 2015, 12:38:43 PM
Power consumption is really a factor. These are switch mode PSUs wich have very high efficiency. Atomic claims about 50% cut in power consumption and that is pretty realistic. In addition they produce much less heat than classic discrete PSUs. The price tag on our Atomic was quite hefty (especiall with taxes and stuff) but this will be armotized in around 5 years (we have the repair costs of one supply in this calculation plus the savings due to the possibility to switch off the console every night). Plus you get better fault protection and more solid DC rails (which reportedly give "better" sound). We really dont't look back. If there is some competition, I think it is just very good for the SSL community.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Matt Sartori on November 12, 2015, 03:03:03 PM
Wow this is really promising!

I think we should send them an e-mail for them to invite them to join and present their product in the forum. Greg, do you feel comfortable/willing in making this contact? I am sure there will be lots of questions to them.

Thanks so much for reporting back! Please let us know how it goes when connecting it! And also it would be interesting to know if you experience any real power savings with GRS solution. ;)

Cheers,

Artur

Already Done
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on November 12, 2015, 06:53:31 PM
This company has been re-packaging power modules for replacement desk psu's since 2001.
But they were only doing less than 14 amps, So for a ssl that would be a 32 channel E.

I find it very interesting they are using the same meters, trim pots, start switch, etc as
the much more powerful Atomic Instrument units as Bob Clearmountain, Tom Lord Alge,
Tom Elmhirst etc have been using for some time.

http://www.atomicinstrument.com/
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on November 12, 2015, 07:05:56 PM
They have Peter Frampton on their web site, but Peter Frampton uses an
Atomic Instrument S1 to power his SSL...
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Artur D'Assumpção on November 12, 2015, 10:08:50 PM
This is just sad...
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on November 13, 2015, 12:30:14 AM
Hey guys.

Interesting. I always thought that that other company copied GRS on the design. The power supply we got in 2001 has these meters in it, like the Atomic has. Before that, we bought a 32 Amp psu from GRS for the studios AMEK console and that was back in 1989. So they do make big systems. They were building a 60 Amps custom psu when I was there for Warners.

I had already done a lot of research before I decided on going with the GRS unit...asided from the fact that we had been using their power supplies since the 80's at the old studio I owrked at. In my research, I found that the have been in business since 1969 as GRS building power supply systems...not 2001 as said here. I also found more info about some of the other psu's they have built. There's a big Trident psu system, 30 something amps, and other info on their facebook page. Let me see if I can copy that and repost it here....


https://www.facebook.com/GrsProAudio/photos/a.749676118395551.1073741826.123962777633558/937176559645505/

Can't copy everything here from their Facebook. It seems way more up to date than their web site. You can just go to their facebook page if you're on facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/GrsProAudio/

Cheers,

Greg
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on November 13, 2015, 04:02:22 AM
I saw exactly what they were doing when Reid and I started the company, Reid came to me because NOBODY was making what we make now. Please show us something published if we copied anybodies anything. I hope GRS is a good company for the SSL and audio in general community.
 
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on November 13, 2015, 04:58:10 AM
Hello xmax...

Not trying to ruffle any feathers here. Just saying from my own experience and opinions you know.

I don't know of anything published back then, but I can show you a picture of the GRS power supply from the studio I worked for in 2001. They purchased this power supply from GRS for their SSL console. We set up the power supply in our lounge after unpacking it. In the picture its sitting on our big leather chair in the lounge and we plugged it in with all of us around checking it out. So that was like 14 years ago. I never saw any brochures on it before then or even now for that matter. Just from what I have seen way back when in the studio  and what I saw in person a couple of days ago. I don't think these guys put much info on what they make online. They are old timers and even said that most of the stuff they do and they business they have is from long time customers and word of mouth. So there ya go.

Cheers,

Greg

Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on November 13, 2015, 05:15:36 AM
I figured they were old timer's when I researched them in the beginning, they do great work and I appreciate that. 
Like I said before they where doing non-switcher replacement power supplies. Nothing like Atomic Instrument.
I would have to think that is why all these well known guys are using Atomic Instrument.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on November 13, 2015, 06:16:50 AM
The PSU we got back in 2001 was switching and linear machine. The one we are getting for our studio is the same setup type, but they said they are using much better custom built units switchers these days.

You should see some of their stuff they did at Hughes and NASA for satellites. Cool stuff but way over my head.

Cheers!

Greg

www.analogstudio7.com
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on November 13, 2015, 06:56:07 AM
Excellent, what is your studio's web site? Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition.
 
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Artur D'Assumpção on November 13, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
I think I've seen the old Trident ones before.

Anyways, it would be nice to have them in here and present their product. Strange I've never heard of them, specially since the PSU alternative searching is in such high demand.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Showcase on November 17, 2015, 10:51:13 PM
Well, why never Atomic will be interesting is just :

Someone told me its bad for your desk
Harms it
Us has fucked up power grid
They need it
Eu not
And the 4k like analog
Ye switch ing psu often does this,  thought they fixed it

No its in the design
Different psu design
The old psus let current thru to the music
And created harmonics
Like a guitar an electric one
It modulates into the desk

Any truth to this?
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: sintech on November 18, 2015, 10:01:54 AM
How it sounds with music is the key test, over noise floors, and stats.

Know the Jap Supply sounds better than the standard PSU, for sure
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Matt Sartori on November 18, 2015, 11:03:09 AM
Well, why never Atomic will be interesting is just :

Someone told me its bad for your desk
Harms it
Us has fucked up power grid
They need it
Eu not
And the 4k like analog
Ye switch ing psu often does this,  thought they fixed it

No its in the design
Different psu design
The old psus let current thru to the music
And created harmonics
Like a guitar an electric one
It modulates into the desk

Any truth to this?


I seldom intervene in discussion as everyone on this forum has got a minimum technical background in electronics and or engineering.
The proof is in the pudding, Bob Clearmountain (amongst other very important and influential engineers and producers) bought the atomic instrument PSU, this by itself should be a reason why it is a good product.

Please before you post something like "someone has told me its bad for your desk" on a forum like this one make sure you do a bit of research first.
Such statement is just too embarrassing to even comment on.

this is NOT GEARSLUTZ

Mattia.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on November 18, 2015, 02:51:20 PM
Electric Lady Land Studios. Neve VR
Avatar. Neve VR
Tom Lord-Alge. Ssl S2
Tommy Lee. Ssl S1+
Peter Framton. Ssl S1
Sony Music Australia. Neve VR
Bob Clearmountain. Ssl S2

And about 50 others have been running Atomic Instrument power supplies
with improved sonics and massive energy savings.
http://www.atomicinstrument.com/
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Artur D'Assumpção on November 19, 2015, 11:22:50 AM
We also have some members here on the forum which can share their 1st person experience, since they are owners of an Atomic PSU. ;)

Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Showcase on November 19, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
Im sorry if it came out hostile in a way,  i see it wasnt my intention in fact i thought it sounded stange myself, but the subjects interesting me, thats why i asked, who ever is using it or not.
I do some more research on the subjekt myself Peace!
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on December 03, 2015, 03:48:04 AM
Hi all.

Just following up here. We got the new GRS power supply yesterday and got a chance to hook it up today. It works great and the thing is a real piece of art to boot. Looks very cool.

I have been playing with it today. Turning it on and off and tryiung to get it to  screw up and to see what it was all about in real use. And so far its been great. The psu has a master power switch that you have to turn on and leave it set to the on position. It has a master circuit breaker also hooked to the master switch. So you turn this on and leave it that way.

Then on the front panel you turn on the Ac mains power switch for everyday operation. When you turn on the AC mains switch the system power goes up slowly. You can see this from the front poanel. Once the power is up to 120 volts ac, the AC Mains OK led lights up. This takes a few seconds. Then the 4 meters are showing all zeros cause the dc voltage is not on yet.

Then you start the dc power on sequencing. When you hold over the switch, you can see the dc sequencing led light up and then the 18 volt rails come on. Then a couple of seconds later the logic and phantom dc comes on. Its pretty to cool to watch it and you can the some leds inside the top cover where it says CPU 1, 2 & 3 sequencing everything and a buch of leds lighting on and off.

Then the meters show the + & - 18 volts dc and the logic meter shows 6.5 volts and the phantom meter shows 48 volts. So then I went about following the manual to calibrate the psu to the console. This was pretty easy and you just have to adjust the front panel little trimmers and measure the voltage at the console until you get the proper voltage set. The voltages at the console show lower readings that what the power supply meters showed, so I had to adjust the psu trimmers UP by the difference.

The console sounds great with the new psu and there is zero noise or anything at high volume so im happy bout that. I started screwing around with the psu and turned it on and off a bunch of times - probably about a dozen times. Had no problems. You have to turn the dc power sequencing on by hand everytime but the console didnt give me any problems or hickups at all. And I tried pulling the ac plug when the sytem was on and then plugged it back in again to see what would happen like if the power went of and then came back on again later with the ac on the psu still switched on. And no problem here either. The psu ac came back on but the dc to the console didnt. I had to turn the dc on by hand to start the dc sequencing on. So that all worked good.

I dont plan to leave the SSL on all night long so Im not worried about power going off with the console on and the coming back on with a power surge or spike or whatever. But I tried this anyway just to know what they said in the manual about this really happens and it does.

Been playing some mixes through the console and it really sounds good. So I am very happy and just wanted to  close out my experiences and my post here!

Cheers!

Greg
 
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on December 03, 2015, 04:06:40 AM
It all sounds awesome! It just saddens me that someone making such a product would directly mirror
what Atomic Instruments has been doing since day one. I realize GRS has been making a quality replacement
psu for some time, but they where doing nothing like the version you are referring to until very recently.
It reminds me very much like the Vanilla Ice trial where he states he did not copy Queen/David Bowie. 
Plus Atomic Instrument has a far superior warranty and the owners are working engineers that understand
the importance of the products they sell.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on December 03, 2015, 08:32:18 PM
Sorry, don't know what the problem is. This is basically the same system our other studio got back in 2001. So how is it a mirror?

Anyway, doesn't matter to me. I got a great deal on this power supply at a great price and it wroks like the one at my previous employ studio. I have bought one other power supply unit from GRS and all were excellent units and were running great when I sold them along with the consoles when I bought this SSL I have now.

Your comments just sound like sour grapes to me. I think those Atomic units seem to be good, but just over priced. Thats why I bought a GRS unit  HALF the cost and does more!

Cheers!

Greg
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on December 03, 2015, 09:03:06 PM
The GRS unit is NOT half the cost and in fact does LESS, look at the specs.
Atomic is coming out with a new lower cost version and a silent
model. Cheers. N  8)
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: PelleG on December 04, 2015, 10:54:22 PM
My heart bleeds when you're fighting like this. Let's wish for a peaceful Christmas of love and understanding.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: analogstudio7 on December 05, 2015, 03:17:25 AM
Well thats good news. They seem to be way over priced anyway.   And I did check the specs between both systems and yes the GRS does have more protection, both AC & DC ramp up voltages and is computer controlled.

Look...I bought what I needed. I you don't like it, don;t buy it. To each his own. I went with the best choice for ME...best bang for the buck and I;m very happy about it. Again, your sour grapes attitude is really a put off man. Man up. So I didn't buy the system that YOU like. Big deal.

Can we all move on now with more important things in life. Jeeze. What a laugh.

LOL,

Movin on...

Cheers!

Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: Artur D'Assumpção on December 05, 2015, 09:49:55 AM
Hi guys,

I must agree with Pelle, please lets bury the hatchet on this subject. If there's is any issue regarding Atomic vs GRS, specifically regarding intellectual property copyright this should be eventually dealt on the proper channels and not the forum.

Overall I personally feel it's good to see more businesses committed in supporting the SSL, since this is our entire goal here, to support the community and having these consoles working for years to come.

I wouldn't want to see the forum members fighting each other, after all we are all here a family. As I see it,no harm or misconduct was done by any member. You're all welcome with your experiences, advises, questions, debates, discussions, differences and honesty! Please don't take me wrong...  and lets move forward.  8) ;D

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Cheers,

Artur
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on December 05, 2015, 03:51:37 PM
I turn sour grapes into wine. I have zero problem with GRS making psu's to help the studio
owner and add diversity to the market. What I do have a problem with is false claims people
can not stand by with proof. All prices /specs/dates I have stated are widely recognized and
have been published for years. Moving on.  8) 
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: nycsudio1 on February 14, 2016, 07:58:03 PM
I am interested in looking at the GRS psu but their website has been down for quite some time.

http://www.grssystems.com/

Although the Atomic PSU seems like a good unit, the price is just unrealistic for today's analog recording scenario.

I own an SSL 4040 E/G and a Neve 81 series, which I have been servicing for many clients for nearly 20 years, so I can definitely benefit from having a newer PSU that I know will improve the entire system and will allow me to power up/power down my board without any problems, thus keeping me away from the tech bench. The problem is that with the price tag of $5K plus for one PSU, there is a chance that we will never be able to recoup the investment as it appears that the demand for analog mixing/tracking will be non-existent in a very short period of time, at least in the NY market where my studio is based at.

Selling the consoles with the new PSU will probably add nothing to the sale value, so I think that it would be less expensive to rebuild the existing units and whenever possible buy a spare or two of the old ones, as I have with the neve, and keep them around in case of emergency.

In my opinion, New PSU's will need to be at least in the $2K range or less with all the bells and whistles in order to motivate existing console owners to invest, in return, sales numbers will drive up and the cost per unit will go down. Popularity of the company will drive up as well, thus creating an opportunity for newer product development.

In reality, before developing such systems, one should need to do a market research and see how many owners would be willing to invest money on a new PSU that will be seating in a closet doing pretty much the same as the original system and at what price point.

I developed all kinds of needed components for Neve 81/82 series such as a new cpu card for the routing system, which was outdated and could no longer be repaired. I sold quite a few of those at a price that I thought was a bit high, but people had no choice. It was either my card or the console would not be useful in tracking mode, so I was clearly alone. Did I make my money back? nah, but I made the re-sale value of the actual consoles go up, as I bought a bunch of them for almost nothing and was able to refurbish and sell them quick and easy, so my profit at the end was at the resale of the actual console and not on the components that I created.

I really wish that Atomic or other companies could figure out a way to bring their prices down to at least half of what they are at right now and if that happens, I will definitely be a client for both consoles as I no longer wish to be a tech, until then I will have to make sure that my psu's run smoothly.

My $002



Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on February 14, 2016, 10:31:24 PM
We wish we could bring the price down with our current models, but there would be not enough profit
to stay in business. That said we plan on coming out with a unit for around $3k for up to 56 inputs
depending on type of modules and metering. (There can be as much as a 10 amp difference between a
E and a G+ with plasmas, after all the plasma LED's are driven from the audio rails).

You are also forgetting the energy saved can be dramatic in cities like NYC, where the units generally
will pay for themselves in less than 5 years (as little as 3 in Hawaii and the U.K.).

Last but not least If your desk goes down during a major session with a top dollar client you could lose
$5K in a hurry. That's why we recommend clients keeping their old supplies if the Atomic is destroyed
by a act of God or a plumbing malfunction (who know what could happen!) and you won't even be down
for the day until your replacement unit arrives. 

So far we have had a few $45K months so some people must find them worth while! Cheers. N

 
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: nycsudio1 on February 15, 2016, 04:41:25 AM
Maybe if you structure the price point by separating the E from the G+ and also with and without plasmas on either configuration you should be able to bring the prices down even more.

I have a 4040 with vu meters, so it shouldn't be that difficult.

The Neve 8108 has plasmas as most Neve 81 series so that's not an option.

I am not forgetting the electric costs because here in my studio when I run the SSL, which is not all the time, the electric bill is almost never affected.

That shows that the client demand for analog setup is almost non-existent and will probably not last 5 years in order to justify the investment.

Regarding the board going down, I have 2 spare psu's that I paid $800 each in top shape ready to be swapped at a moment's notice. Way cheaper than spending almost $6K for a psu, regardless of how great it is.

Imagine if the the prices were lower, how much more than $45K a month you would have and the lower cost per unit as a result?

Regards.

Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on February 15, 2016, 05:31:00 AM
Some people think the sound quality alone is worth the price, some people are really interested in saving energy. Different strokes for different folks. Rock on.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: nycsudio1 on February 15, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
Since sound quality is subjective, I prefer to keep my feet on the ground and my cash invested where I will get the most return.

An SSL running with one psu or another will generate the same income regardless if it sounds better or not.

Power supply alone can't change the sound of a board that drastically to justify a $5-6k investment specially this day and age where people are cutting songs from mp3 files from youtube and uploading on soundcloud.

To each their own.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: waltzingbear on February 16, 2016, 06:17:52 PM
and that will be why your client base will never change and be crappy.

If your heart can't supply the blood to your heart, you have crappy health, its the same with a console and it's power supply, except its audio quality that suffers.

Yes, it cost to produce good audio, get over it.

Alan
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on February 16, 2016, 08:44:52 PM
I have many many emails like this...
Norman,
Well, its been about a year since I got your power supply…
During that time I have built a new studio.
Since May I have been powering up & powering down my console daily without a single problem!
Your power supply is amazing.
So far it seems bullet proof.
I have noticed a very welcome bump in the bottom end of my console and wanted to thank you guys for building this great power supply!
Also, the power consumption is WAY DOWN! I’ve estimated it cost me less than $1.00 (ONE DOLLAR)  an hour to power my console!!!
Many Thanks,
Tom Lord-Alge.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: nycsudio1 on February 17, 2016, 10:24:49 PM
You have no idea of who my clientele is and what they do or the type of operation I run.

Regardless, my clients are recording hits daily mostly without using either my SSL or Neve consoles, so for me as much as I love analog consoles and believe me I don't want to sell the two I have and also have owned more than 20 over the years, all shapes and sizes and have been powering them on and off as needed without any problems, I still watch where and how I invest my money and no matter what anybody says, shelling out $6K for one psu for a format that is pretty much on life support it's just not my idea of spending my money wisely, after all I am running a business.

If the bottom end of a console wasn't present with the original psu, then it was time to rebuild it anyway and for way less than $6K.

In addition, there are other options out there for way less money and from what I have heard from actual users, those units are either doing the same job or better.

By the way I know a thing of two about electronics as I have been a tech for over 20 years.

Most A rate engineers today are either chopping SSL consoles and using 16 channels + the center section as side cars to run stems or simply mixing in the box, that should tell a thing or two about how the market is going and how much money one should invest in this format.

I believe that a great PSU should cost at least half of what the Atomic is going for and if and when that happens, if I still have my boards and haven't bought another unit, I will be a client.



and that will be why your client base will never change and be crappy.

If your heart can't supply the blood to your heart, you have crappy health, its the same with a console and it's power supply, except its audio quality that suffers.

Yes, it cost to produce good audio, get over it.

Alan
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: nycsudio1 on February 17, 2016, 10:34:38 PM
I find a bit hard to believe that you have "many many" email from users as I am not aware of more than a few people who have bought your PSU.

Even your website doesn't have a list of more than a few names, so "many many emails" can be a stretch.

Nevertheless good luck with your product and if you figure out a way to bring the prices down to a reasonably acceptable number for me, I will consider it.

Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on February 17, 2016, 11:14:51 PM
Please share what you "have heard from actual users" that another replacement psu is
As good or better. I'm in NY at the moment I would be happy to meet with you and share with you
What Tom at Electric, the guys at Avatar or the countless other NY clients have to say. Cheers.
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on March 05, 2016, 05:55:56 AM
SSL owners unite and protect each other!
http://forum.sslmixed.com/index.php/topic,972.0.html
http://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=61783.0
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/989874-has-grs-systems-closed.html?highlight=grs+power+supply
Title: Re: Upgraded PSU similar to Atomic S1+... any interest?
Post by: xmax on February 22, 2019, 08:51:38 AM
Here is a update
https://www.atomicinstrument.com/atomic-family