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jwhmca

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CF82E10 keeps swelling the top of C14?
« on: July 17, 2015, 06:12:27 PM »
Hi Guys,

Has anyone else run into this, where C14 swells up on the 82E10 cards?
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Re: CF82E10 keeps swelling the top of C14?
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2015, 02:16:23 PM »
Are you using high temperate tolerant caps?

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Re: CF82E10 keeps swelling the top of C14?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 08:06:57 AM »
More info is needed.......

Is this a problem with:
.    One card?
.    With many cards?
.    Recurring after repair?
.    Swelling after how many hours of being powered-up?
.    On one specific channel motherboard only? (Swap the bad 82E10 with a good 82E10)
.    What is the voltage rating of C14? It MUST be 25V or higher.
.    If the cap has been replaced, has it been put in the right-way round?
.    Have you checked the voltages on each leg of C14? Check with respect to 0V.

I would be more concerned with the voltage conditions on the 82E10 board than temperature. Caps are prone to swell if they are below the required voltage rating for the application or have experienced reverse-polarity DC as opposed to high temperature. Certain other "big name" consoles get way-hotter than SSL4K/6K, use 85degree caps, and do not suffer from swollen caps.

I could spend a couple of hours describing detailed scenarios, but specific answers to the questions will cut out a lot of un-necessary detail in answers.



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Re: CF82E10 keeps swelling the top of C14?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2015, 04:56:27 AM »
Hi Guys,

I appreciate the replies.

Some facts...

Panasonic FC 105c 25v 220uf as replacement.
Lot's of cards.
Lot's of Different SSL's
Recurring after repair.
Maybe 5,000 hours after replacement... less than 1 year.
In the right way.

I haven't checked the voltage yet... just seems so common to the SSL's I have seen...

Over the years it has always been this cap... somebody pull a few channels and see if they have swollen C14's or both on their VCA cards...?
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Re: CF82E10 keeps swelling the top of C14?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2015, 12:57:49 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for the details..... hmmmm........ food for thought there........

There is a desk in the workshop at present. It has been re-capped, so too late to  look at the physical caps, however, there is nothing noted in the project file about bad/swollen caps. I have also asked my colleague who did the re-capping and he confirmed that there was nothing suspicious to report.

Here's the interesting follow-on.... we also have a batch of modules that are booked to the next refurbishment project which has not been started yet, so everything is as it was delivered to the workshop.
C13 & C14 on a random selection of 82E10 cards on 6 modules are all OK. The soldering is, I believe, the original factory soldering (or someone is way better at soldering and board cleaning than I am or anyone I work with  ;) ). The test date of the cards is 6/91.
However....... a couple of the random modules have cap-swell on the 82E294 Group Amp cards.
Consistently the caps are C4, C23, C15. All are output caps (C23 is one side of the balanced output). All are 220uF 6.3V non polar. Soldering is original. Test date is 6/91. The circuit topology does NOT have the two series caps with a pull-up resistor to +V, so voltage bias to a rail is not an issue.

The plot thickens......